Ep 124: Mas Sajady ~ Exploring the Mysteries of Life, Death & Beyond

Strap in for an exhilarating ride through the uncharted territories of consciousness, transformation, and the mysteries of death. We are privileged to host Mas Sajady, a man who has experienced the edge of existence not once but thrice, bringing back groundbreaking insights from his near-death experiences. Mas reveals the secrets of Xponential Intelligence (XI), a revolutionary self-improvement technique that transcends genetic and environmental limitations and empowers individuals to access their boundless potential.

Join us as we delve into personal accounts of near-death experiences, including Mas's transformative escapades on the edge of life and beyond. Mas's jaw-dropping narratives of drowning and physical trauma will lead you through the veil of reality into a realm of higher consciousness, where the restrictions of space, time, and density melt away. We also delve into the dark night of the soul and discuss how changing our programmed perception of life can lead to personal transformation.

The conversation takes a profound turn as we contemplate death and its impact on future generations. Hear Mas expound on the euphoria and liberation that accompanies an awakened death and the effect it has on the departed and their loved ones. Our exploration of the human-pet relationship and the cycle of transmitting frequencies and emotions to these companions, and through them to future generations, offers a fresh perspective on the circle of life. We conclude with a reflection on the power of hope, gratitude, and a positive outlook. This episode is a voyage through life, death, and beyond – a journey that promises to change how you perceive reality and your place within it.

Where to find Mas:
www.ximeditation.com

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Truth and Transcendence, brought to you by being Space with Catherine Llewellyn. Truth and Transcendence, episode 124, with special guest Maz Sajadi. Now, if you haven't heard of Maz, he's a very unusual human being Using unprecedented knowledge and abilities gained from three near-death experiences. Maz has helped hundreds of thousands throughout the world transform in record time. Maz actually offers answers to life's biggest questions and his miraculous abilities have helped set thousands of people across the world.

Speaker 1: 0:54

Maz calls the unique knowledge and abilities acquired after his near-deaths exponential intelligence, or XI, which combines the physics of space-time and the power of frequencies for rapid real-time life transformations and insight that go far beyond psychology willpower or any other known self-improvement method, and offers a glimpse into the next stage of human evolution. So I think it's pretty obvious why I wanted Maz to come on the podcast, because this is just fascinating. The story really is unique and fascinating and his work is groundbreaking, and I really love how Maz has taken a potentially devastating series of circumstances and transformed them into an extraordinary opportunity, not just for personal expansion but also for the development of his exciting work with frequencies. So, maz, I'm so excited to have you on Truth and Transcendence.

Speaker 2: 1:54

Yeah, thanks for having me on. It's going to be a great show.

Speaker 1: 1:58

Fantastic, thank you. Well, I know that you're constantly presenting and on podcasts and so on, so I'm hoping that you'll find an opportunity to say something you've never said before on this podcast. That's part of what I always hope with my guests.

Speaker 2: 2:13

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 2:14

Something comes through that we haven't already said so life transformation. Tell me a bit more about what you mean by that.

Speaker 2: 2:26

Or a lot of people who use, say, psychology or self-improvement surgeries, getting a relationship, or success concepts, or even say spiritual concepts. They just literally say improve their life. They're in the same box, so to speak, of their idea of who they are. Their genetics stay the same, their idea of self stays the same, but they just say, expanded or added on to that box, whether against success or spiritual knowledge or anything else or healing. So what I do is literally go.

Speaker 2: 3:02

This box that you're say creating yourself in is not the best box. That box comes from hundreds of generations back, or maybe even thousands of generations back. That box has been created from your family genetics and you've just been handed down generation after generation and then you build a little piece of, a little bit more of yourself in that box and then you hand it off to your kids. So that's a lot of say knowledge and information, useless knowledge and information that we all have inside like Z's patterns how we age, how we see success or how we really, how we interact in relationships. And as you know, you know divorce rates are high, suicide rates are high. The successful aren't really that happy, you know, with the money that they have. The non-successful at least they have hope, because they think once they get money, you know, or reach that success, they'll be happy, but then, just like everybody else, they won't. They'll still be in that same box.

Speaker 2: 4:05

So what I do is like, okay, it's the box that's causing the problem, it's your environment around you and not your physical environment, but a high level environment of how, say, you create yourself in this physical form. So what I do is like, no, this reality or this dimension of yourself, say, isn't say the best environment for you to grow in. It's not nurturing. Let's move you over to say another dimension of yourself in space and time. And this is where it's more nurturing for you and this is where you can see or start to pull out or enhance those natural abilities that you are.

Speaker 2: 4:46

You know, katherine, when you're a kid, remember when we were kids, we were limitless, we had limitless potential. And then that gets buried because, again, the environment that we live in it doesn't have the right nutrition for us to really come into our grander version. So it's a transformation. It's not a self-improvement method. It literally is a life transformation where you age differently, where you see success. Success actually really means something to you. It's just not an accumulation of stuff that we think in relationships. You know, become more organic, become more good for you.

Speaker 1: 5:27

I hear you, I get you, so that's interesting. So if someone's listening to that and they find themselves saying, well, how do I know if I'm just stuck in the box, or how do I know if I'm not stuck in the box?

Speaker 2: 5:41

Right? Well, most people are, let's just say, everybody's stuck in that box. So what I teach is not really hey, go to this box and then plant yourself here, because over time and that's the crucial point over time, the box, even if you're perfect in this point in time, well, moments later, or a day later or a month later, you're not going to be that perfect. So you always have to be in time. So I don't teach you going from hey, go box to box A to box B. What I teach you is like okay, let's be fluid in present moment time. And all the monks, all the sages, everybody that you talk about is like gosh, let's. Being present is the most powerful moment and through the three new deaths I've had, I see presence at a very, very different state or a very, very different level. So what I teach you, catherine, to answer your question, is literally I teach you the mechanics of always moving forward in time, so you're always present 24-7.

Speaker 1: 6:57

Right, so you don't ever get stuck in a box because you're not anchoring yourself somewhere.

Speaker 2: 7:06

Yes, you're very fluid. Yes, so in this, once you understand the mechanics of that, what happens, catherine, is that well, you stay ever present, you stay vital, you stay youthful, you don't age again. Success has real value, has real intrinsic value for you, because you're finding yourself worth it. Who you are, yeah, compared to who you are, the grand aversion, or I call it, your limitless self.

Speaker 1: 7:36

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:37

Who you are Understood.

Speaker 1: 7:39

Yes, limitless self I think it's a wonderful term, but the grand aversion, I like that as well. Yeah, so grand, which is abundant, isn't it? There's something about that that's very appealing.

Speaker 2: 7:54

Well, if you were an awakened spirit, or if you knew how much power you actually had, or if you knew how much power that creates you here, your physical form, which is very limited and again, I've been there through the three near deaths I've literally transcended this physical body and went to a higher version of myself. So, my conscious being not my mind, because obviously my mind is part of my body but my conscious being say it transcended space and time and at that level you turn into your spirit form. And your spirit form, well, it's a grand being, it's limitless and there's no lack, there's no need for control, because you are master of your domain and, well, everything's brilliant for you. Yes, wonderful.

Speaker 1: 8:45

Would you mind sharing a bit more about these near death experiences that you had? Of course, I've never had a near death experience, I don't think. I mean, I've had some experiences where I'm lucky I got away without killing myself, but I didn't actually have a near death experience with those completely different.

Speaker 2: 9:02

Yeah and just and again. One of my abilities is just reading people, but it seems like you might have had people that have died around you when you were younger, so you can use that as a near death experience, if done right as well.

Speaker 1: 9:21

I see what you mean. Yes, if you're kind of exposed to the experience of being around death. But that's not going to be as intense, surely, as having a personal near death experience.

Speaker 2: 9:32

Well, if done right, it'll. Actually, you're right, it's not as concentrated but it's pretty close to done right and we're going to talk about that. So we'll leave that for a little later, but you can find more of my story on ximeditationscom. The first near death, catherine, and let me just preface it, because there's a lot of near deaths that happen every day, thousands and thousands of documented near death that happen every day here in the US. Why do most people not use that experience to expand, like I did? So you have to be tuned or groomed for that near death to say, benefit you.

Speaker 2: 10:25

So for me, I was really searching for the answer to life, literally like Einstein's equation is like, what's that one equation? Because it is literally a one equation to life. From what I'm finding out, what is that one answer? And as a teenage kid, as a young kid, that's all I had. That's all was in my mind day in, day out, wanting that so badly. Well, I got my wish. I was working at the time. I was working in a warehouse unloading railcars and, just to make it short, I got my jaws crushed in a moving wall. So I was hanging by my jaw, not my neck my jaw, and these are complete near deaths.

Speaker 2: 11:16

So there are different levels of near deaths and again, we can talk about that later. But I completely separated from my physical form and that's the moment I knew my grander version. So I've actually experienced that grand version and it is, you're right, so grand that and so immaculate that it's way beyond any concept that we understand in this reality of how it could be. And I looked at myself. I'm going well, wait a second, what am I doing here? Again, my grand being compared to because my body was dangling over there about 10 feet away. I'm going and I'm still conscious and I'm still here. I'm going, wow. And then that's where I realized that I had died, I had completely separated it from my body and then I transcended to even higher form of myself, or if you want to call it heaven, but there's different layers of heaven as well but I transcended to a higher level and that's where I revisited life, or people go life review. This is where people get it wrong and they go well, somebody's there and they see if you've been good and bad, and then that's where you go to heaven. Hell, it's really not that way at all, catherine. It literally is about a life review, so you understand from a grander version of who you are, not, say, an uneducated version of how we go through life.

Speaker 2: 12:40

Most people who go through life they're, say, at kindergarten level, and that's why life doesn't really work out the way it should. We don't know the mechanics or the knowledge or why we have been here. So it's like, why are we here? And then we don't even have a clue. But when we come from life from a higher perspective, we go oh, that's why we're here, so we understand it. So all those experiences actually show up as, oh, that's why that happened, or that's why that happened. And this allows you to awaken to a higher level of self. And that's what I did awaken to a higher level of self. And then I came back into my body and that's where everything changed for me. So I mean everything, how I see myself, how I created or rendered my body here, because your body's, it's frequencies. It's not a tangible asset, let's say, nor is anything else. Everything is a frequency. And quantum mechanics or quantum physics is literally says the same thing I do. It's like everything's based on frequency. It's the movements of atoms, right, it's a resonance of atoms, and then it creates solid objects.

Speaker 2: 13:51

So the second near death was a drowning accident. I was sucked into a cenotaser, basically a hole in the bottom of a river, and that's where, again, I separated from my body. I was under water maybe about eight to 10 minutes, according to my ex-wife and somehow the miraculous intervention I found myself about 100 yards above the river or above the place that I got sucked into and so which is miraculous because I would have floated downriver, but in reality I, you know, I, came back out. So that scenario, when I again transcended my body, I went through the 13 layers of, say, reconditioning. So you go through layers as you recondition and those layers are moving you or taking away the distortions of time or your experiences. So the first, for example, the first layer is where you've heard people who've had near deaths, where they go. You know where they go. Oh, I saw my family, my loved ones were waiting for me on the other side, you know, and so on, like that. So that's, like you know, again, a welcome form, right, they're just waiting for you and then you can go through the layers.

Speaker 2: 15:12

The fourth layer is the life review, which I did, you know the beginning, but then I transcended all 13 layers and kind of sneaked past the veil of identity, where you're not supposed to come back, but somehow I came back and at that level you start to understand the mechanics on how this reality works space, time, how density works, why you're here and all those deep questions that we, you know, haven't figured out for centuries or millennia. Right, you, I got it firsthand, firsthand knowledge, and I also tapped into the, the, the, I call it the limitless database, the universal database. That database, or that consciousness, holds everything, all knowledge, because it transcends time. So everything that is ever known or is present or in the future, is in that, in that consciousness. Again, that transcends time, we just need time to read it, that's all.

Speaker 1: 16:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:21

Yeah, and then I came back down and that's where my gifts started, you know your second near death.

Speaker 2: 16:27

Yeah, after my second near death. So the first one allowed me to understand that we have great potential. The second near death allowed me to physically say reclaim that great potential, and that's what I teach people now, because we're all the same. It's just that I had that experience that allowed me to say, understand it from a different level. And that's literally what XI, or becoming exponentially intelligence, is about, just literally, you becoming your grander version and living life from that grander version.

Speaker 1: 16:58

Amazing, very beautiful, very beautiful. So a couple of questions come up for me. So one question is after you came back into your body on any of these occasions, did you have any sense of you know? Actually I preferred it over there, you know, I would rather not have come back.

Speaker 2: 17:21

Yes, oh, my goodness, yes. So once you know your potential because I would say that's 99% of who you really are so the life that you live is only 1%, and that's why sometimes it's so meaningless, especially nowadays, you know, since you know there's a lot of depression and suicide, and you know, just like, no matter what you do, it's like gosh. I'm just not happy, and the reason why is because you're starting to realize that there's a bigger portion of you that's missing from your life and you want to go back to that portion. So, but again, you don't you want to do it the right way. Okay, so so, yes, so my first near death really got me excited afterwards, because everything was so bright, catherine, everything was just so brilliantly bright. Foods tasted better, although my jaw was wired shut for three months. I had to blend my food, but it didn't matter, I was so happy. So, so, like on top of a cloud, because you literally are on top of cloud, because you don't exist in your this body anymore. You see, or you create your body from a much, much higher layer of who you are. So there we are, walking on the cloud and this reality and and you know, on all the say shortcomings of this world, you see it from a very different level. But then over time you get to see also the heaviness of this reality, right, the chaos, and you go. Why can't people just be nice to each other? You know, why is there so much suffering? Why, you know, why are people, you know, out of food, or you know, homeless, or they're struggling in their relationships, although they might have everything, don't they see what they have? Because they don't. There's the these filters that you know, again, I help remove so they actually see their abundance of who they are in physical form.

Speaker 2: 19:17

Yeah, so I actually wanted to go well, what if I had this near death? So I, you know, I schemed, you know, going, well, I just want to do something where I get close to that near death experience. So I was like planning or designing these things. But I'm going to wait a second. If I, if I mess up, I'll be dead. If I'm a little too overboard, I'm never going to come back. So that idea of, well, I just want another, you know, I'll just create a near death for myself. It's not a smart idea because you don't know the mechanics on how to do that perfectly. So you, you are just dead enough to come back.

Speaker 1: 20:00

Yeah, and you sort of. The whole thought form behind that in and of itself is not really in tune with the whole realization that you had anyway, is it yeah?

Speaker 2: 20:11

No, not at all.

Speaker 1: 20:13

I don't know. I actually spotted that.

Speaker 2: 20:16

But the idea of being there was so enticing, you know, and it's so beautiful and so grand. You know that it just like sucks you to that higher level. So my second near death literally allowed me to stay at that level in physical form. Right, I did get my wish.

Speaker 1: 20:37

Yeah, you did, but, you know, not necessarily a pleasant experience of being stuck in a hole in the bottom of a river or whatever it was.

Speaker 2: 20:46

It didn't. Well, you know, when you're, when you're, when you're getting pulled into the bowels of the earth because it was probably a lava tube that was filled with water, and again it goes into the depths of the earth you don't really think about oh, this sucks, or that. It's very momentary, because when you, you know, when you, when you know that you're going to die, you know, it's, that's it right, you know you're going to die. It's like, it's like, well, you don't think about oh, this sucks, or anything. You just literally disconnect and go into your literally grand version of who you are.

Speaker 1: 21:23

Yeah, I understand you don't have a drama about it.

Speaker 2: 21:27

No, it's just you're so present in the moment that you don't think of stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 21:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:32

It's just, and then you transcend into that beautiful state.

Speaker 1: 21:38

Fantastic. Well, thank you for coming back, because you know, otherwise we'd be off there having these wonderful experiences and we'd all be none the wiser. I love what you said. When you said, when you came back after the first near death experience, how your experience was heightened in terms of the taste of food and the colors and the light, because it wasn't that. You came back and were just, oh my God, I'm in this dull version of reality. You came back and you were actually perceiving things in a much more vivid way, at a much higher level than previously, which is fantastic. So when did you get the idea of putting this into something where you could then work with other people?

Speaker 2: 22:25

Oh, that was after my second year of death. It took me about three, four years to figure things out. The dark nights of the soul, and everybody goes through that. You know Jesus went through that, blue went through that. Many other great individuals not as popular as them go through that space. You know success makes you go through the dark night of the souls. Love makes you go through the dark night of the souls. It literally is about going gosh. You know what I need to leave my old self behind.

Speaker 2: 22:53

So, that's what the dark night of the souls is, and it is a death experience, by the way, Right, because your idea of who you are is so ingrained in you and you're ingrained in your identity that you, it's that separation of self. So, again, about three years after my second year of death, that's where I started reclaiming who I am. So, after the dark night of the soul, my ability started to come through, and we all have these abilities. We just need to again remove all those things that were not. That's what we do remove those things that were not. I don't add anything more to you, I literally just remove the things that you're not and your brilliant self comes through.

Speaker 1: 23:35

Yeah, I understand.

Speaker 2: 23:37

Which is very different than what most people do. You know psychology or anything else.

Speaker 1: 23:42

Well, we're in a materialistic world, aren't we, where the idea is that if you're not satisfied, you add more. Yeah, whether that's a modality or a least learning or something rather than, if you're not happy, get rid of stuff.

Speaker 2: 23:58

Yeah, you get rid of stuff. You get rid of the stuff that's causing you the you know being not happy. But as you clean yourself up, you get drawn to and I'm a scientist at heart, you know as you clean yourself up, you know I was mesmerized or intrigued by how everything works and how the mechanics of all this, what we call life, work. So I started to observe, I became an observer of life, and that's where I observed my life and I started to go back and go. Oh, that's why those things happened to me the way I did, and I noticed that we just were all literally programs that run not to make it, not to make it cold or not to make it like we're robots.

Speaker 2: 24:43

It's actually very exciting, although at first, when I figured that out, it's like gosh, we're just a, you know, a system of programs or what I call frequencies. You know we've got, we're basically frequencies that we call us. You know we call Moss or Catherine, you know. So that's your personal frequency signature. So, but but then later on, it's like, wait a second, if we're just programs, if we're just programs, that means that if I change my program, I could have a different life Instead of losing control and going gosh, we're programs and this life means nothing. It's like, well, no, I mean, took you millions and billions of years to create, you know, an item, you know a being of this grandness like we're, amazing beings right to come into physical form and make it work the way we do. It's just amazing.

Speaker 2: 25:41

So what I did was go gosh, how do I access that program? And that's where real, you know knowledge started to pour in with me, catherine. So, and that knowledge was well, you change your frequency, you change your life. So you change your frequency and I actually say you, you change your genetics. What changes your life and what we do? So I got drawn more and more into that and you know 100, over 100,000 clients, sessions, tens of thousands of people that I've worked on. There's a lot of research, that's that I've done field research, not clinical research, where you're stuck in a lab and you're just testing out theories, but actually working on live cases, again, tens of thousands of them, getting actual results for people. So I've turned it into literally a science that's duplicatable, yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:37

Over what sort of time period has this been occurring?

Speaker 2: 26:40

What's always ongoing, because you can always learn more and more, but right now, as of this recording, about 12 years, Amazing.

Speaker 1: 26:50

So that must have had quite an extraordinary effect on you. You know, embarking on that and engaging with that, working with all those people over that time.

Speaker 2: 27:00

Oh, absolutely. You learn so much if you do it right. Most people, when they work on people, they harbor or they take on the burdens of that person. What I do, what I figured out, is like wait a second, I can learn from that individual and be a better scope of who I am right and then also help them remove their burdens. So I don't carry any burdens, I don't allow them to carry any burdens Again. I remove stuff from them and then they become a better version and it's so impactful. Catherine, you can tell the difference between somebody who's exponentially intelligent or using the concepts of XI versus other modalities that are out there and again, I'm not dissing any other modality, but those modalities have a place. But we need to clean up at our core level.

Speaker 2: 27:49

That's the only difference right, so it's a compliment. What we do is a very it's a compliment to anybody else that's out there, so we get to the bottom. But now I forgot what I was going to say.

Speaker 1: 28:04

And I forgot what you were going to say, because you were on a whole thread and then you sort of divert it slightly just to acknowledge that there are other amazing modalities out there, which I think is a really good thing to acknowledge in these conversations at some point, isn't it? Because otherwise listeners might be listening and thinking oh, so he thinks that his is the only really great thing, which is not what you're saying. So thank you for acknowledging that at that point.

Speaker 2: 28:31

Yeah, we all need. But what I do, if you're building a foundation of a house, I would be that person that excavates everything and just removes all the trash so you can have a strong foundation and dig a strong foundation for you, and then most modalities are building the house, electrical systems and all that stuff that you need. Literally, I just create that strong foundation so you can build a grand house. Otherwise, your house sinks. And that's what most people realize when they create a lot of success or even when they get spiritually awakened they're still running or they're still on a very rickety foundation that was built thousands of years ago, right from their generational pattern.

Speaker 1: 29:14

Now, that's very interesting because you mentioned this in the prequel about the generational pattern and how things have passed down through many, many generations and some people talk about past lives and bringing forward sort of damage from past lives, and people talk about this sort of thing in a variety of different ways. But I felt like the way you were talking about it was a bit different because you also, while we were talking about that, said something about that. The way people die also affects the future generations. So could I ask you to expand a little bit on that whole side of what you were talking about?

Speaker 2: 29:55

Yes, absolutely, and I just remembered which is important for what we're talking about now. What I was going to say is that the work that I do is so impactful that when you change and transform even if your loved ones are the people that you interact with don't do the work they literally like transform with you. So that's say, a genetic makeup on bars or a genetic propensity of who we are. Our DNA is always a seeking a better or a higher version every moment. So when you say somebody that is exponentially intelligent walks into a room, everybody literally stares at them or looks at them and is like, wow, who are they? They're really awakened Because, again, we're all, at a very subconscious level, always searching to be a better version of who we are. It's again, it's our cellular command or coding.

Speaker 2: 30:53

And the reason why that's important for your question about why death is so important is because an awakened death somebody that knows that say they know that they're a grand being. So an awakened death literally means that you're a grand being. You spent your time here on earth and then you're going to go back to who you are. You're going to go back home. Most people don't realize that concept, although it's like well, that sounds pretty normal, but sure they might understand it here. But the mechanics of letting go of your physical body is very different. So your idea of who you are goes with you. You let go of your body. Your idea of who you are goes with you into that higher state of consciousness, and that's where it's a non awakened death, because your idea is almost like you take your box with you.

Speaker 2: 31:54

Yeah exactly Do you do? You take your box with you and it's like, especially those individuals who commit suicide or go to hospice or are unsedated, so they don't know that they're dead. They literally just the line becomes so narrow because, again, hospice, suicide and so on, they're nearing that, say, veil of death or they're bordering that line of life and death, because literally it's very sharp line. There's no in between. You're either alive or you're dead. There's again, there's no difference.

Speaker 2: 32:39

But most people drag all their stuff that they're supposed to leave behind onto the other side and this is where the generational patterns get stuck in the living for them. Yeah, so in this scenario, if you're an awakened death, what you do is you leave your identity of your physical identity behind and you go to a higher level of self. So as you go to the higher level of self, you start to go God, you know what? I didn't need to die with cancer, I didn't need to die with this way.

Speaker 2: 33:19

So you let go of all those genetic patterns or habits that's been formed. You didn't need to have abuse patterns running. So as you awaken and go, cross over, you discard those things that you don't need and you take the blessings of this reality, so you actually live in a bliss state or you go to heaven. Otherwise it would be a hell, because it's like gosh, I didn't get rid of myself and then you're there forever, unless something or someone awakens you. So when you just don't discard those people that are left behind, they magnify the distortions that you created. Does that make sense to you? Because they didn't make you awaken.

Speaker 1: 34:09

I think you're saying that if you drag all that stuff with you when you die, that somehow the people who are left behind are affected by that and that they then magnify that distortion because you didn't let it go. But I imagine you're going to say that if you have an awakened death and you do let it go, does that then release the next?

Speaker 2: 34:34

It actually becomes euphoric and that's where you can experience somebody else's death in a euphoric experience, because when they let go of their stuff, especially if you're a loved one or family or bloodline, when they let go of all their, say, genetic patterns I would call it spiritual genetics and then also physical genetics what happens is that the loved ones left behind, they start to awaken and go wait a second, I don't need this stuff either.

Speaker 2: 35:02

So instead of getting burdened by somebody's death and then getting worse or morphing into, say, that person that died, especially if you took care of somebody you took care of your parents, because they got older, they died and then you turn into your parents Again, not a death. So what I'm saying is that an awakened death is like they awaken, they cross over, they let dump their burdens here and it creates a euphoric state. It's an amazing, literally. That light of your spirit transcends down in this reality and that's where people actually feel the beauty of death. As somebody crosses over, especially if you're around that person while they're dying, it becomes a euphoric or timeless moment. So that offers you a near-death experience without actually going through a near-death experience, and you see the greatness of who you are because you get pulled right into that space.

Speaker 2: 36:06

As you release it, you release all the distortions of your genetics and your habits and all those things that just aren't beneficial for you, by the way.

Speaker 1: 36:19

Well, that sounds fantastic, doesn't it? You mentioned earlier that one of the things, that one of these abilities that you came out with and, of course, we haven't spoken about your third near-death experience, of course, which I'd love to hear about but you said that one of the abilities that you came out with was this ability to perceive in another person something about their relationship with death, and that's very interesting to me as well, because I do feel that people's relationship with death is very important for the appreciation of life. I don't see life as being something that exists only as long as you can avoid death you know what I mean Like a default thing. It feels to me more like having a full experience of life includes having a full respect for a loving relationship with death, but I've never sort of studied it in the way that you have and, of course, I haven't had the near-death experiences, but I'd love to hear a bit more about that.

Speaker 2: 37:34

Well, when you understand the mechanics of death and how it all works and how I explained it, death actually becomes a euphoric experience, because you're going back to yourself in the right moment. That's the key. It's not like, oh, I'll just kill myself and then I'm going to go, because, again, that's not an awakened state. You were here for a reason. So once you understand that reason, death becomes more, say, expansive. For you it's an expansive state rather than shunning it away. But once you understand death, you literally embrace life even more, because there's no fear Most, fear most.

Speaker 2: 38:17

anxiety again always goes, or psychologists are finding out that it always traces back to a fear of death.

Speaker 1: 38:24

Yeah, really.

Speaker 2: 38:26

Yeah, if you resolve that piece of yourself, that aspect of yourself, you'll start to understand life at a very, very deep level, because you start to understand that you are a spirit and you never die. You just transfer into different aspects of self. Yeah, and to put it in a spiritual term, they say that the angel of death is actually the savior of life for you, because the angel of death can never take you before your time. So, it watches out for you till your time comes up Amazing, love it.

Speaker 2: 39:06

And death. The angel of death, your savior of life.

Speaker 1: 39:11

Yeah Well, the most frequent deaths I've experienced in my life have been deaths of my cats, because, of course, cats don't live as long as humans and there's always that question which is, is it their time? And the degree of reaction that we as humans have to the death of another, whether it's a cat or a human or whatever it is, but that degree of pain that we have a lot of, it is actually well, it's all about us. It's our own sense of loss, it's not really on behalf of the other person.

Speaker 1: 39:50

I mean, we might have an empathic feeling of you know that person's in pain and obviously I'm sad about that, but I think a lot of the pain we experience around death is selfish. It's a selfish. You know that person won't be there to tell me they love me anymore.

Speaker 2: 40:08

Exactly, or what would I do with that person? I'm lost without them, and so on. And then it creates, you know, that death Absolutely. And what happens to, like I said, is that, you know, then you start to carry the burdens of that person that have died. Yeah, even if you didn't help them out, even if you were close to them, you needed that person in your life for some reason, for example, not say a good reason, but when you needed that person. So when they die, you have to replace that person.

Speaker 1: 40:47

Yes.

Speaker 2: 40:48

Because again you didn't awaken.

Speaker 1: 40:51

I understand, and then the person you replace them with is then stuck with that baggage as well.

Speaker 2: 40:58

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 40:59

And you get a repeating cycle.

Speaker 2: 41:06

So sorry about that. So it's interesting you bring in pets. So this is you know, with pets, most people they dump their stuff on their pets. You know, like, say, if you have heart disease, you're cat or whatever has heart disease. That makes sense for you. So in that scenario, when your pet dies, that burden or that frequency that you say gave to them, you have to find a storage place for it. And this is where people get you know, are tragically affected.

Speaker 2: 41:48

In the case of pets, what happens is that you know, most people use pets. Most people use pets because they are full of frequencies, they can't hold on to any more stuff. Most people have children because they can't hold on to any more stuff, for example. Okay, and then what happens is that is that I'll have a pet or I'll, I will have kids so I can dump my stuff onto them. So it's a receptacle. And then when that child dies, for example, or that pet dies, it's like, well, I got to put those frequencies somewhere because they still exist. And then you take back the frequency that you gave your pet to hold on to and that's where you know it becomes a tragic experience rather than a euphoric experience.

Speaker 1: 42:40

Yeah, because you don't want it back. And that's the one that's the most to put it Now. I think, I think, certainly I know that in childhood some people do experience a kind of a weird feeling that their parents are kind of, that. They are like an accessory to something their parents don't want to process. Yep, absolutely, you know, I've certainly witnessed that.

Speaker 2: 43:06

Yes.

Speaker 1: 43:08

And it's, and it's heavy, it's a heaviness, and then, of course, when you become an adult, it's probably very difficult not to duplicate that.

Speaker 2: 43:18

Well, that's, that's my point, that's the whole point. Of XI is like you know, you become awakened and, for example, the death scenario and that's why I say it's a pandemic happening, because most people don't die properly. They dump their stuff on their children or their loved ones, and then their loved ones, you know they, they die, they get older, they don't process the information properly, you know so. So that person say has kids, young kids, and they basically, you know, tattoo that, that, that their frequencies onto them. If that makes sense to you.

Speaker 1: 43:57

Yes.

Speaker 2: 43:58

Their habits, their, their, their diseases and so on. They pass it on to their kids. Yeah, and what we're doing, Lerdey, is what we're doing is is that is that you know, when you awaken, death, it starts a cycle, A blissful cycle, an upward cycle. What? What humans do create a downward cycle. So, again, so you don't let go of your genetics. Your loved ones hold on to their genetics. Even more it, you know, it magnifies as you die. You pass your genetics on to your kids, yeah, and then the cycle starts over. So it's a downward cycle. So what we're doing here is again we awaken and you die.

Speaker 2: 44:44

Right, you, as a, you say, you know, as their loved one, let's go of your patterns. If you have kids or the younger generation, they go oh gosh, they're not. Mom and dad isn't running their patterns. I don't have to run my patterns anymore, especially if you've got younger kids, when somebody dies and then they clean up their patterns while they're still alive. So they have kids, they're not carrying the burdens of previous generations. I mean, yeah, and you know, when I read people Catherine, not over 90, 95% of most people, it's not them it's a rendition of what their parents had. You know, yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:30

And which, of course, is why it's so valuable for people to go back and process those past deaths that have occurred in their lives and process their own baggage that they're carrying in relationship to that Right To themselves.

Speaker 2: 45:48

Yeah, we don't. We don't evolve as beings, you know, we don't evolve into a higher level of self, we devolve, like like I just explained.

Speaker 1: 45:57

Yeah, when I was a child, my mother died when I was quite young and in those days children were not allowed to go to the funeral. Oh wow.

Speaker 1: 46:09

Because, it would. You know they said it was because they thought it would be too much for us. I think it's because they didn't think they could cope with having the children at the funeral. I think that's what was really going on. But I remember that being, I remember that feeling so wrong, just symbolically, that thing of you're supposed to deny that this has happened, you're not supposed to experience it, you're not supposed to reflect on it. And parents, adults, only talk about it in hushed voices around the corner, which is guaranteed to make a child feel like it's really, really, really bad.

Speaker 1: 46:47

Yes probably their fault. You know that awful thing. So what you're talking about is kind of the other end of the scale from what I would call a very blind way to respond to someone's death. It's a much more enlightened approach to that.

Speaker 2: 47:08

Absolutely. And you know it adds closure, psychological closure, when a child sees you know their parent dead, because again it's like, oh, they're not here anymore. Because, especially if you're young and you're looking at your parent, you just don't see that physical body. But you see, the essence of that body has disappeared. Just like I do. Again, I have people say I have fantastic abilities and gifts. But we all have these abilities as children. I just reclaimed my abilities, like we had in kids, and that's what I was kind of referring to. For you, as Catherine, is like you had a near death, you know a death of a loved one that affected you, so your mom dying at a young age. That affects you and that space is still open, by the way, and that's where your gifts say show through or come up.

Speaker 1: 48:07

Yeah, thank you for saying that. It's interesting because, in relation to that, I had to come back and revisit my relationship with that death several times During my life and each time there was a sense of reclaiming something and also letting go of something, and each time that happened the experience became, in a way, normalized, but in another way, more sacred.

Speaker 2: 48:32

Yes, but you still haven't really figured out how to disconnect or cut the cord from that moment of death of your mom. So when I see you you're actually like cycling always back to that moment of death to expand or use your abilities. That makes sense for you.

Speaker 1: 49:00

So you're saying that if somebody hasn't I don't know how you would describe it if somebody hasn't fully done what they need to do in relationship to a death, they cycle back and forth in terms of having access to their gifts. No, this is specifically for you.

Speaker 2: 49:21

So, yes, but that's true, yes, so like, for example, you, since that closure wasn't there for you, you're still connected to your mom, and your mom Again, when parents die and they have very young kids, most parents it's kind of sounds strange, but most parents like envy, so to speak, the life and the vibrancy of their young children.

Speaker 1: 49:52

Yes, I understand that.

Speaker 2: 49:53

You know, because it's like, gosh, I'm dying. I wish I was their age or that young again. So when that happens, you frequency wise, you're just reaching out onto their essence and just holding on. And when you died, I, literally, even to this day, right now, as we're talking, I actually see your mom still holding on to that, say, essence. So you, for example, haven't figured out how to say disconnect her frequency. However you want to see it, she's still blinded to you. Her spirit is still connected to you, your conscious, you know you didn't let go of her. However, you see it again, there's a connection there. So what I would help you do is, literally well, let's help you understand your consciousness of this relationship and let's allow your mom to understand how she operates in this consciousness, where she can go oh gosh, I'm dead, I don't need to latch on or hold on to my daughter anymore and then she escapes where she needs to go, and then this frees you and allows you to expand into who you are.

Speaker 2: 51:04

So it doesn't matter when the death occurred, because when death happens, it's a timeless moment. So you can do that. It doesn't decay in time and space because it's a timeless moment, and that's why we can use death as an awakening experience anytime.

Speaker 1: 51:20

I understand and that goes back to what you were saying about transcending space-time and that you related that back to this thing of not being stuck in your box, because when you're stuck in your box, you're stuck in one point in time, which is only one point in time, at one point in time and never again. So you're then, you know, fantastic. I love the sound of what you're doing. It just sounds actually very powerful.

Speaker 2: 51:47

Even talking about this, you'll probably reclaim or put an kind of put closure yeah, put closure on, say, your mom's death. After this lovely conversation that we're having, you'll actually have closure, fine closure, of that experience for you.

Speaker 1: 52:10

Well it's interesting the way, the way you talk about it and the way you've been talking to me. I feel it's almost like you're inviting me to look at it again. Okay, but you're not making it into a problem, You're not saying it's a problem.

Speaker 1: 52:31

Catherine, you've got to look at this again. It's almost like there's an invitation but there's no charge on it, there's no pressure on it, and I think that links back to something I was thinking about earlier, where there's a thing about relating to death as sacred but at the same time, it's not a drama. So we're not adding drama to something, but we are allowing the sacredness of it to actually come through, which to me is like a beautiful combination and quite a rare one. Quite a rare thing to find.

Speaker 2: 53:11

True, true. Yeah, I see what you're saying very beautifully said.

Speaker 1: 53:15

Oh, thank you. Well, this will be a permanent record, so it will be able to get this conversation forever. I'd love to hear a bit more about your third near-death experience, if you'd like to share it.

Speaker 2: 53:30

Yeah, that's really interesting. So I've gotten to a point in understanding exponential intelligence again as a real science. So by that I mean you have Newtonian physics and then they figured out that Newtonian physics again, how an object falls and all that stuff, the physical objects of this world. Then you go to quantum physics which say Newtonian physics couldn't explain why a lot of objects do what they do, so they went into the quantum realm again. The very minute particles of who we are, psi, would fall into a deeper layer beyond the quantum realm. And it goes into, say, quantum neuroscience, where it's the bridge gap or the bridge science between the physical world and then the unseen world, as we will call it. So once you can reach that, what happens is that you start to go gosh, you know what? We can literally start to change our genetics. We can start to. We don't have to age or to get disease like we are. So hence my third near-death experience. Again, I use near-death experiences. Hopefully this is the last one where it is the last one it feels right, where I don't need to have that on solid ground. So the third near-death was actually a graduation process for me. It allowed me to take hold or master the concepts of aging or the concepts of our physical body. And this is where the third near-death. I was in Peru and I didn't have a heart attack, but my heart stopped, actually my whole body stopped, because I ran really low on minerals, especially potassium. So it could have been, say, a COVID experience, where again, that drains your minerals out of you and the elevation, so it's a combination of the two, where literally my muscles and my heart just stopped functioning because there was no, say, fuel in my fuel tank anymore and that allowed me to disconnect from my body for about I don't know, I don't know how long I was gone. I just woke up with getting pumped with potassium and amazing. So that, catherine, that really allowed me to really step into my gifts and own my abilities that I have, including transformation, physical transformation. So it allowed me to rebuild my heart. So it took me a while to reclaim who I am as a physical body, but it took me a while for my heart to stabilize and every time I go into the doctor back in the day because I'd have heart issues and stuff they go. Your heart's getting better and better. So from moment to moment, from one lab test to the other. It's like, for some reason, your heart's getting better. It's like, yeah, so literally rebuilding our genetic makeup. That's what this third near death was about.

Speaker 2: 56:52

And there's a ton of people like, for example, this young girl. She had five heart surgeries by the time she was 10. And they were going to replace her heart. I met her when she was about 22. They were going to replace her heart but they were just waiting for a donor and I worked on her and her father now they're really dear friends. A month I worked on her and now she doesn't need a heart replacement. She's a normal young girl. Those kind of transformations and those aren't extreme transformations, but they're just normal transformations for the work that we do. So you know.

Speaker 1: 57:36

They're. Honestly, there are so many questions that are boiling up inside me to ask you, but I feel like the next question I want to ask is could you tell us a bit more about how you work with people?

Speaker 2: 57:46

Sure, so one you know work on one-on-one through Zoom. You know through Zoom that we work on. Or you know we do a lot of live events. You know one on like live one-on-one, but the frequencies transcend, you know time and space so I can work on people. In fact, many people who are, who will listen to this podcast, will actually start to feel different just by listening, just because, again, of the essence that we're in here and most of the time I've gotten so good at my craft that you know you really don't need a one-on-one session with me to transform. You can literally do group events because we do a lot of, say, group meditations. In fact we do an 18-day meditation where we literally help you transform your life in 18 days and it's all on the ximeditationcom website. So group meditations that we do literally transformed. Just last night we did one on success how to rebuild or recreate success the proper way. So it's actually beneficial for you rather than a destructive form. So does that answer that question?

Speaker 1: 58:59

Yes, it does. So basically, it's your presence really, isn't it that you're bringing to bear. So that's good to know. So, because some people, when they talk about doing frequency work, they're using kind of equipment and machinery and stuff which that's not what you're doing.

Speaker 2: 59:18

No, this is just a natural state of who you are. So I use the power of your genetics literally because, like I said before, your DNA is always searching for a higher frequency to grow into or expand or learn from. Kind of like the 100th monkey experience yeah, I'm familiar with that when one monkey figures out how to use a tool on another island, another monkey figures out how to use that tool within seconds. So, basically, when you say my presence, it's like when you connect with me, however, whatever the tool is zoom or phone or whatever, or in person your genetics go oh, that person is running up a higher frequency of being human. It's like, oh, I can do that. I remember how to do that.

Speaker 2: 1:00:08

So I start helping you remember who you are and as I do that, all aspects of your life change and that's why some people might go well, what does this guy do? This guy helps people cross over. This guy helps people with their billion dollar business. This guy helps people with their relationship patterns, or that. This guy helps people cure themselves of the craziest diseases. He's all over the place.

Speaker 2: 1:00:33

Well, in fact, I just help you become a better version of who you are a better human and as you become a better human, all those aspects that you call life, they become better for you.

Speaker 1: 1:00:47

Yeah, yeah, right, and that makes sense to me. And if you think about, well, you've worked with a lot of people. Are there any kind of common tendencies between the sorts of people who are drawn to come and work with you?

Speaker 2: 1:01:07

Yes, so a lot of times back in the day, when a technology is new, you always have the first round of people that come through because they don't believe it quite yet, for example. So back in the day, really, people who are end of their ropes, you know what I mean. They've tried other modalities. They haven't figured that out. They've tried surgeries, whatever it might be, or addictions, patterns, whatever, so they come to me as their last resort. Now, as more and more people start to awaken that it's frequency that changed your life, not mental states, more and more people just gravitate towards me at any level. So a person that's just really ready to live life and understand life at a very deep level, they just naturally gravitate towards me.

Speaker 1: 1:02:03

Got it Right, fantastic. Well, I always like to ask that question because sometimes it's very interesting to notice what kind of people get drawn to something, and I think what you've said about when the technology is new, it's very different from when it's then more well known and more people. But also, surely, doing the work that you're doing, it must be having a much broader effect than just on the individuals that you're working with and the groups that you're working with.

Speaker 2: 1:02:33

Yes, so I work with a lot of high-profile people that influence many others. So I work, say, with a CEO. So this person has hundreds or thousands of employees. So as you change that CEO, all their employees, even down to the person that they don't you know the janitor that doesn't even know the CEO that person's life changes. Yeah, and that's again we evolved as humans. So this it's not just about improving your life, it's about you improve your life so much at such a deep level that everybody around it creates a ripple effect and everybody else's life changed. And that's how we evolve consciousness and again, save the humans, basically. And we save, you know, as we elevate, we save ourselves, we save our planet.

Speaker 1: 1:03:21

Yeah, not just about us Absolutely, and does that link back into what you were saying about the next stage of human evolution?

Speaker 2: 1:03:30

Yes, absolutely yeah, because you know, I was just doing a podcast on advanced societies and you know, and advanced societies is defined by technology advances and all this stuff, but we're not really advanced societies because technology is risen but humans have the same problems. In fact, humans are getting sick earlier. They're, you know, we have the best healthcare, but more illness, we might live longer, but we're you know, living in, say, illness and disease, and you know old age and all that you know, and we're not having a fulfilled life. So that's not advanced technology. So what I do is like, no, let's use technology to advance ourselves to a much higher standard of who we are, and then the technology actually will benefit us rather than destroy us. So that's that evolutionary process.

Speaker 1: 1:04:24

Fantastic, absolutely Love it. It's very congruent with my own philosophy, so I love it straight away. And I think the way you've been explaining it today, I really appreciate how you've been explaining things from a number of different angles and perspectives, because some of the ideas are going to be quite new to a lot of people and so, kind of talking about it from a number of different angles, I think it's very, very helpful to make things accessible. So I really appreciate that. Something I would love to ask of you is if we think about people in leadership positions you mentioned, you do to work with some very high profile people.

Speaker 1: 1:05:01

There are a lot of people in leadership positions at the moment, and I'm including people who, perhaps for the first time or more than more than previously, are seeking to be a good leader in their own lives. I feel a kind of an upswing of people taking responsibility and wanting to be better leaders, wanting to be part of the solution. Yes, some of those people are listening to this conversation. Is there anything that you'd really like to say to those people, and particularly that might help them to take a first baby step in relationship to some of what you've been talking about today?

Speaker 2: 1:05:41

Yes, and you know, catherine, you're talking about leaders. People are mavericks, like Steve Jobs. He was against the system, he was a maverick, and that's why people loved Steve Jobs, for example, but as he claimed ownership or dominance, say what happened? Is that his leadership style? And Steve Jobs? Facebook the person from Facebook for that name.

Speaker 2: 1:06:12

Zuckerberg, amazon. If you look at them again, they're mavericks. They want to help people, but then their leadership style destroys them because they've sacrificed who they are. So they literally start to become maniacal. And Steve Jobs, again a maverick, he became part of the system. He got so big that even the government couldn't control him and again, working with him was hell, you know, is very maniacal. Same way with Elon Musk and all those other fantastic leaders that look great on the surface but they're dying on the inside to support their company or their cause.

Speaker 2: 1:06:51

So what? And this, like you said, many people, many leaders, are waking up or they don't even go to sleep, because I'm sure many of those people go. You know they're awake at night, going God, did I sacrifice too much, you know, for the wealth or the you know the position of power that I have? So, literally, power and wealth is literally about sacrificing yourself. And then, since you don't have anything left, you start to sacrifice your employees, you know, the people, your environment, to keep going forward, because that's all you've learned. So what I say is like no, you don't need to sacrifice anything. You can one reclaim who you are and understand who you are. And again, it's.

Speaker 2: 1:07:34

I've done this so many times with high level CEOs and creative people as well. So they start to reclaim who they are and they start to see money, success, concepts of wealth from a very, very different perspective. You don't have to control people in you know a micromanaging way or, again, controlling people by taking away information. This is where you expand into who you are and it's very benevolent. You allow other people to expand who you are, so the workplace isn't full of chaos.

Speaker 2: 1:08:09

The workplace actually becomes very attractive for people where it's like gosh, it's a place where I can find myself, not lose myself. You know miss. People go to work to make money so they can find themselves outside of their work environment. Your work environment is the environment that helps you expand and when you have that, it's a very nurturing and you know your health care goes down people who are less sick. You create more productivity for people and it takes less to control them or manage them because they want to be here. It's a whole different way of looking at leadership and again, I've worked with many companies and it works. System works and it's much easier to run and it's more profitable that way for you as well.

Speaker 1: 1:08:58

Beautiful, well, great message for leaders, thank you. So if people would like to find, you where would you like them to go?

Speaker 2: 1:09:08

Ximeditationcom Excellent.

Speaker 1: 1:09:11

I will put that in the show notes. Now, final question, I want to know. Almost final question. I always ask everybody has there been a favorite part of our conversation for you today?

Speaker 2: 1:09:24

Yes. So the favorite part was talking about death for me, because you know, just again people listening to this podcast they'll start to realize it's like gosh. You know, I can let go of the burdens of the past loved ones that I've held on to or they've held on to me. So it's really beautiful and just that moment, I think, will really help awaken or enliven people so they can get back their life.

Speaker 1: 1:09:52

Beautiful. You're right, it was a very beautiful moment. There were many very beautiful moments. So we're going to wind up in a moment. Is there anything else that you would kick yourself if you hadn't said before we finished, anything else that you'd really like to say about what we've been talking about?

Speaker 2: 1:10:09

Yes. So a lot of people think that they've tried everything and it's the end of their rope and they'll just succumb to the life that they have. So, no matter where you are, no matter how broke you are, no matter how wealthy you are and again you're stuck in that corner. What we do help you become exponentially intelligent, allows you to really expand into who you are and who you should be very fast, so you can start from any point. Great, you still have a chance.

Speaker 1: 1:10:46

Fantastic, great, I hope, for all of us.

Speaker 2: 1:10:50

At all.

Speaker 1: 1:10:51

Fantastic. Thank you so much. Honestly, I could very happily keep talking to you for hours and I hope you do talk again. It's been such a delight. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2: 1:11:00

Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 1:11:05

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